we were just musing that jws act in a "flirtatious" manner with people in the community.. they show such "sincere" interest in people when they call.
they seem like such kind, caring and thoughtful people - really interested in their lives and welfare.. people are often quite impressed with the jws manner, and their well dressed presentation.
people (especially vulnerable ones who are going through difficult pressures in life), are drawn in and made to feel special by the witnesses as they call back.. return visits take place.
stuckinarut2, you have such interesting observations.... When I read your OP, it dawned on me (or it put into words) the weird feelings I used to get listening to JWs giving their "well rehearsed" presentations at the door.
Smile, everyone.... hahahaha..... "look around, check for toys, etc., find something to connect with the householder to get common ground"
Your right... it is like flirting!
today my husband was on his way to meet a friend.
the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities.
the penalty for not reporting would be a fine.. one of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse.
Haha, good one Simon... "We value our fake reputation more than the welfare of your children." That should make the point clear shouldn't it?
YES, Flipper! It is the first step in getting those brain wheels rolling. Who knows, right!?!
today my husband was on his way to meet a friend.
the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities.
the penalty for not reporting would be a fine.. one of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse.
I agree, either way.... fines, "to make it publicly humiliating" or revoke their 'charitable' status... to openly show they are not "God's true organization."
But it was kinda cool to get witnesses to say "I agree, I think they should report it to the police or get fined" (oops, quotes again... I love quotes)
That way, when the 'news comes out' and witnesses start hearing more about "The Organization" discouraging reporting child sex abuse crimes to the police, they will have something to think about.
i've seen very few carts in western australia.
the only one i have seen is near the front entrance of the perth royal hospital and on the several occasions that i have seen it, they are there all day, at least during the week.
i've stopped and had long conversations twice now and both times when i have approached them they've told me to take whatever publications interest me and then we've started talking.this last visit i brought up the royal commission.
Great experience, Listener... I always enjoy hearing how witnesses 'reason' when told about the Royal Commission.
They say, 'the Commission praised them for being so organized'? Sounds like what one woman (a JW) where I work reasoned with me: 'Our literature is printed in over 200 languages,' (which means "that is why we are the true religion, no one else can do that", remember?)
I wonder if witnesses just hear bits and pieces about the Royal Commission in a talk or letter, but, like the "Society" always does, leaves out the most relevant parts.
Thanks for sharing, very interesting!
today my husband was on his way to meet a friend.
the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities.
the penalty for not reporting would be a fine.. one of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse.
Sorry about that, Steve.... nope, I wasn't there, and there was no audio tape.... my husband was here, sitting beside me, telling me the exchange, and I was directly quoting him. Perhaps I should use half quotes?
Anyway, he was pretty excited to have had these experiences, no one suspected him of being 'an apostate', haha.
today my husband was on his way to meet a friend.
the purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities.
the penalty for not reporting would be a fine.. one of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse.
Today my husband was on his way to meet a friend. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss how to have a bill introduced into Congress, which would require non-profit institutions to report child abuse to the authorities. The penalty for not reporting would be a fine.
One of the motives behind this effort, is to raise awareness about child sex abuse. My husband decided to test this out by stopping at three different Jehovah’s Witness carts while using public transportation. He found that six witnesses agreed that non-profit institutions that DON’T report child sex abuse to authorities should be fined.
The last cart location allowed my husband to spend more time discussing the issues, and he talked to two men for the first time. When asked if ‘institutions should report child sex abuse to the authorities?’ he said, “No comment.”
I said, “Oh, well I was trying to get some feedback on how to word the bill to gain support. I did talk to one person who believed they could not support the bill because she believed that it was prophesied in the bible that Christians would be persecuted, and this bill would be the beginning of that persecution. Is that how you feel?” and that got the conversation going again.
The man opened up, and said he ‘used to be a Catholic.’ He said that he knew that ‘they have a problem with child abuse, and not reporting it,’ my husband agreed, and recommended that the man watch the movie, “Spotlight” for the reason that it told a story of how The Boston Globe reported on the cover up. Then my husband added, “it was the leadership of the Catholic Church that covered up the abuse.”
After the witness attending the cart agreed that the decisions came from the ‘leadership,’ my husband asked if the man knew about King Manasseh in the bible. The witness confirmed he did, so my husband continued, “Here is the moral issue: Manasseh was the leader of God’s organization, and was asking the nation to sacrifice their infant children to the god, Molech. What would you do when faced with that decision, would you follow King Manasseh, or spare your child?”
As the moment became very awkward, my husband spoke, “The question is rhetorical, it illustrates a moral problem when people would have to go against their religious leaders in order to please god.”
The conversation ended with a friendly handshake between the two, and the “brother” saying, “it was nice talking to you” and my husband replied, “this is the way conversations should take place when discussing serious issues.”
Great way to “cart witness” hmm?
i personally would like to see they get the very best but haven't a clue how to do it what are your benevolent words of wisdom, should a person do a deep research on his own a kind of self medication or should they brush up on some psychology,, who should they trust because after you leave you got big trust issues.. i don't know about you but to me it was a real shocker, i was totally into getting their worthless bull shit out of my head.
i choose the self medicate path and did as must research as time would allow,, science was a biggie for me, it was enjoyable learning to get so much bull shit out of my head..
I think it all depends on the person.... Some people handle it better than others.
Perhaps one of the biggest things that is hard to take is the loss of family, friends, and your 'eco-system'. If you could actually call up a friend, bounce things off of them, discuss the possibilities without them going into 'zombie-mode' it would definitely be easier.
I mean, what if you had a group of five girlfriends, you all decided this was just getting a little weird, and left? You'd all be together, you'd still have things to do, people to talk to.... on and on.
But..... the Borg knows exactly what it is doing.... The same thing they put the Catholic Church down for in the past "excommunication", but the WT is even more extreme.
Blackmail, plain and simple.
the lot video shows what most elder’s offices are like.
actually it a pretty well-equipped one and with the video context is, without a doubt, org-approved.
but let’s face it.
Very smart, wheelwithinawheel..... I do not think you are alone in your 'ventures' ;-)
"good friends are precious" , the article begins .
that is true enough .. "it is heartwarming to see how brothers and sisters today are united by a bond that goes beyond any role or assignment in the congregation.
by their actions they are in effect saying, “i am your friend, not because i have to be, but because you are important to me.”.
By their actions they are in effect saying, “I am your friend, not because I have to be, but because you are important to me.”
When I told my "loyal friend of over 20+ years" about the child abuse case my husband had to testify in (against the WT) and the article in her OWN ORGANIZATION'S WT of 2011 regarding 607 B.C.E., it was all she could do but get off the phone with me ASAP, and then, when I called her a few days later, she answered the phone with....
"I am sorry, no one named "____" is at this number.....
It seems that it was not because I was "important to her" that I was her friend...
But because I was a JW, and believed as she did.....
Reality check.....
it really is mind blowing when we think about it : witnesses have no problem with a deity who will use violence in order to end violence?!?!.
armageddon will be gods war to kill billions of people...because it shows his love?.
thoughts?.
That is mind blowing logic, nowwhat, haha!
I will try that: "killed because you don't know, resurrected because you don't know."
Love it!
